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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  To Mrs Smith

  I do not count my time here.

  Why do I post here? Hmm, not sure. I think to defend the truth, though it does appear to be a waste of time to try this with those who have already "in my opinion" opted to give up.

  Mrs Smith - Why do you post here? Nothing better to do????

  I know that The Faithful Slave are certainly not keen for brothers and sisters to come to such forums due to the negative effect it could have on their faith.

  It is a strange situation but when I come here i feel my faith strengthened, you and your friends lack continuity in argument and credability. I see no great "freedom" attained by abandoning the truth.

  And regarding another poster who said he found it "funny" when I said Jehovahs Witnesses have a high moral standing - It is this type of statement that makes this entire forum lose any plausable argument. You can disagree with what we teach / believe but please have the sense and courtesy to acknowledge the good aspects of us. The majority of religions have abandoned Gods view on morals - has this made the world a better place? Teen pregnancy, Divorce rates up, gay unions / marriages and abortions - these are the reality of such a dismissive view of Jehovahs high standards.

  Giving s very general viewpoint -

  The conditions in this world we live in are declining continually - now surely everyone on this forum accepts this????

  We are clearly heading for a crunch point in the near future. If not terrorists it will be climate change, something major and significant is on the horizon that will trigger a cataclysm of events. Some people who have no association with Jehovahs Witnesses feel this way as well.

  For me - this means I stay on this side of the fence
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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  Hello

  Sorry for the delay - I have read all of the posts and will respond on a new thread in a day or so.

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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  Wow Wow Wow!!!!! Slow down guys and dolls!

  There is enough info here for about 30 different threads!!!!

  There is a lot of repition of points in the posts!!! Many are clearly prepared for such a question!!!

  I have said this before on this forum - the vast majority of your qoutes are from 60, 70 years ago and even older than that on a few cases. Those who question the organisation tend to fall into 2 categories - had a bad experience or get hung up on 80 year old articles.

  Also a few of the articles qouted are not changes of any significance. (The Watchtower re: Generation will not pass away.)

  The core point is the same, it is the understanding of the word generation which has changed. For JWs this was not anything of significance.

  Despite all of this - where else can we go to have a verse by verse explanation of Revelation - Daniel, Ezekiel etc. Who else could truly claim to be preaching worldwide? What about the high moral standard displayed by Jehovahs people. No involvement in war or politics.

  These and other points identify Jehovahs Witnesses as as his true followers.

  I shall return later to read our comments - I am at work after all - I better do something.
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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  To Fullofdoubtnow.

  You site many examples but many of these if not all of them could be explained.

  I agree their has been some left to right and back again on " a few" things. A desire to do the right thing is the motive for such.

  One you mention is the understanding of Blood and Blood fractions. Technology and advances in medicine are one contributing factor in this.

  The key understandings are not changed. A clearer picture starts to emerge.
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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  << There are cases where the Society taught one way changed it to a different understanding because of "New Light"..but then went back to the original statement. That would be going backwards instead of "gradually" teaching.>>

  Could you provide an example??

  I am not aware of such a situation, or if it has happened it must have been fairly minor.
  And even if it has happened, does that undermine all teachings of Jehovahs People?

  Of course not.
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  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  Why the need for New Light???

  Jehovah has always "gradually" revealed his purpose to mankind.
  John was given the Revelation - but did he understand it all? No. Why?
  He did not need to know.

  Everything is decent and by arrangement - accuracy of understanding progresses - with the passing of time.
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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  <<<<The Scotsman - there is a vast difference between the meaning of the words 'where?' and 'who?' and I'm sure you've had enough basic education to know the difference yourself. By cross-mixing the two, are you saying in your reply that effectively the anointed or the organisation is on a par with Jesus?>>>>

  People can get very picky on specific words "when it suits them".

  No-one is saying the organisation or the anointed are on a par with Jesus. Jesus is king in Heaven, the anointed are the Earthly element of the universal organisation. Jesus has the name above every other name, he is second only to jehovah.
  And it is not about a where or a who, it is about a condition - An approved condition between the individual and Jehovah - in the end it is one on one. The Faithful slave are there as the approved channel between humans and jehovah "at this point" but not in the new order, then it returns to one on one.

  <<<<Like I said before, read and think, then read and think - and read and think again!!>>>>

  I read and think every day, because I do not agree with you does not mean that I do not have the ability to analyze, question and think on a subject. 2 people can read and think and come to different conclusions - agreed?

  <<<<What Freedom Frog said above. How do you know that yours is the right organisation and all the others are wrong? Some of those in the past who were thought to be anointed have turned out not to be - how can you know for certain that the anointed ones at present truly are? Remember 'Satan disguises himself as an angel of light' - what if ....?>>>>

  How do I know this is the "right organisation"? Interesting expression.
  Ultimately there is an absolute truth of a matter, do you agree with that?
  I have considered other belief systems and very quickly they seem uncomfortable. Involvement with war, questionable practices, babylonish teachings.

  Jehovahs Witnesses stand out in this world as very different. Jesus said that his tue followers would be no part of the world - they would be different. They would also have enemies!!!

  On your other point - Someone who claimed to be of the anointed can become unfaithful or leave the organisation whenever they feel like it. Anointed or Great Crowd - they must "remain" in that approved condition. So to suggest that all anointed are somehow all wrong because a few have fell by the way side is a weak argument.
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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  Thanks for starting the thread.

  You make “numerous” points.

  You compare Jehovahs Witnesses to David Koresh and the church of the solar temple? Is this fair??

  The were, and still are, gun totting crazies who clearly had loose morals to put it mildly. You may have your gripes with JWs but we clearly have a good moral standing in comparison to most.

  Regarding the Faithful and Discreet slave, this is a regular topic on this forum. Everything that can be said has been.

  Joseph Smith did make claims, fantastic claims, but were they ever proven?
  The golden tablets he was apparently shown, where are they?

  Members of the Faithful slave have never made fantastical claims to have seen visions or visits by angels etc. By their works is proof enough for me they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
  They are not the money grabbing millionaires that some claim here. (Quite a ridiculous claim)

  GB members (in fact, all Bethelites) need to sign a legal document (a declaration of poverty) to prevent abuse of the finances of the Org.
  The Faithful slave would give an increasing understanding to scripture and prophecy in the last days.

  They would point to the bible as the key authority for the promised food at the proper time.

  They would focus clearly on the urgent work of preaching the good news of the kingdom.
  No-one fits this description better.

  Are the Governing Body or any of the anointed perfect? No. It is unrealistic to expect perfection when it is clearly impossible.
  This results in the mistakes being made, even failed prediction in the past. Not since the early 2oth century.
  (And please do not mention 1975 – where I live no-one even noticed 1975, did not expect anything.)
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  by FreedomFrog in

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  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  After 8 attempts at trying to reply I am giving up.

  I am trying to paste text into my reply and it bombs!!!!
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  Society developing anti-apostate software for JW's computers

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  heard a rumour that the society is working on an 'anti-apostate' software programme for jw's to purchase thru the congregation and instal on their home pc's to block access to apostate websites.

  it will be based on standard anti-porn software and on the 500 most commonly used words on apostate websites.

  (sucker)

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  << Puts a whole new slant on it - note that Peter is saying that Jesus has the words of everlasting life, NOT an organisation. Think about that one real slow again and again, and you might just get it.>>

  Ok, I did not have it word for word.

  But a whole new slant??????

  Hmm, I do not get that. And "of course" Jesus had the sayings of everlasting life - the earthly organisation did not exist yet, but the existance of an organisation in the future was implied on a number of occasions, e.g. - Faithful and Discreet Slave. (A channel to dispense spiritual food in an orderly fashion.)

  Now, though you may not agree that the remaining 144000 on earth are this same group, the fact is that an organisation would exist. How else would the fulfillment of MATT 24:14 or MATT 28:19,20 be accomplished?

  And I apologize for going off topic - anytime I have tried to start a thread it does not work.